OK so if you've been following along with the first three parts to this post, you know that we're playing $1-$2 no-limit holdem cash on full tilt, I flopped a set with pocket 3s, bet half the pot on the flop and got two callers, and then checked the turn card, the King♥, in the hopes of inducing a bet from someone who is behind my set. In the last post I asked what you would do in the situation at left, where my turn check was met with a $10 bet and a call of that bet across the felt. Interestingly, one thing a few of the commenters seemed to key on was losing this hand to someone who is drawing here, and the need therefore to bet fairly strongly here, at least enough to price out any drawing hands. Now, if you know me and you know my play, then you know I'm not one to give many free cards in any circumstances, but in this case I did not feel the urgency that some of the commenters did in this case, because of the texture of the flop itself.
In this hand, the flop came T53 rainbow. Even though the turn card brought a King of hearts, to go along with the Ten of hearts already on the flop, try as I might I just could not get myself scared by that card on the turn. Of course someone could be drawing now, and I would not want to give away a free card to that person under any circumstances given how big the pot has already become. But, this isn't Omaha, where I would really want to bet out here to protect my hand since everyone has so many holecards that basically anyone could easily have backed into a drawing hand here on the turn. And that's exactly why I wasn't scared about protecting against drawing hands here -- with only two players in, and only two holecards per player in holdem, I found the odds to be exceedingly low that anyone was drawing here. Who exactly am I afraid of holding exactly QJ, who called a half-pot bet on the flop? I can't see it. And the same thing with two random hearts. Who called the halfpot bet on the flop, with three players in no less, with just two random hearts in their hand? I'm just not buying it.
And that's why I just smooth called the $10 turn bet here. I figured the odds of someone drawing at anything were very small, since they would have had to totally back into any draw with the lucky turn card. And, even if they did have a draw, my set is still a favorite to win with only one card to come (any straight or flush draw will have only a roughly 20% chance of filling on the river against my made hand), and on top of that, I have a 10-out redraw to at least a boat (any Ten, Five, King or the case Three will do it for me). I was still hoping that someone maybe had a King and would be willing to put in some more of their stack on the river, depending on what falls.
A second later the river fell: The King♠. So, there would be no flush on this hand, and no straight either. And now, I've made a boat, 3s full of Kings. Action is to me on the river, with $67 now in the pot with all the cards on the board.
What would you recommend now? Am I leading out with my hand that beats anything other than KK, TT, 55, KT, K5 or K3? Have either of my opponents played this like they are holding one of those hands? How much would you bet here? Or, are you more scared of the second King on the river, and now want to just check it down and see a cheap showdown? Am I even looking at this point to make the most from this hand, or rather just to lose the least? What's the best move here?
Hot Hand -- Flopping a Set in NLH Cash Game (Part IV)
Reader Comments
(Page 1)2. I would bet half to 2/3 of the pot. I think that tells people you have some kind of hand, but you're not really sure how good of a hand it is. I think a bet of that size will be more likely to induce a call from someone with a 10, or maybe even someone with pocket 8s or 9s, if they stuck around this long. Hopefully your opponent across from you has a king and will gladly re-raise you all-in.
Posted at 3:52PM on Dec 11th 2006 by Mike Maloney
4. Value bet that a hand like 9-9 will call. If anyone pushes back at you re-raise all in. KK, K5, K3 are all really unlikely based on preflop action, but there are a lot of holdings that will raise your value bet based on the way the hand played out - your set is well disguised. Kings-full you lose all your chips, which is going to happen sometimes when you decide to semi-slowplay a big hand.
Posted at 4:28PM on Dec 11th 2006 by SR
6. #3... are you f-ing kidding me? You know, there really wasn't anything at all in this hand because it wasn't "the turn" it was "4th street". I mean IT MAKES SO MUCH FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE. Yes there would have been a big difference if he made three of a kind based on a pair on the board... that's not the point. Set or Trips as a word choice... does it really matter. And if so, then it's time to get up from the poker table and wave HELLO to that whole world that's out there that you've missed out on.
Posted at 9:53PM on Dec 11th 2006 by chris
7. I'd say bet it with a 2/3 pot bet. If one of them pushes or re-raises, push your stack in. You most likely win. If they show a hand that beats you (KT most likely based on action so far), make a note of it and say "nh".
Posted at 12:21PM on Dec 12th 2006 by JerseyDP







1. Two smooth calls on that ragged flop? Even though its "looking for monsters under the bed" have you thought about 55?
Posted at 8:06PM on Dec 13th 2006 by Drizztdj